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5 Methods to Drive Growth and Improve NRR w. Mark Kosoglow


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This week we’re that includes some knowledge from the one and solely, Mark Kosoglow👏

I used to be very lucky to work with Mark throughout my 4 years at Outreach.

He’s at the moment the CRO at Catalyst. Earlier than Catalyst, Mark served because the VP of Gross sales at Outreach for an eight yr run that was one of many quickest progress durations within the historical past of SaaS.

Mark noticed firsthand the ability of buyer retention and growth at Outreach. It was an enormous a part of Outreach’s progress technique, and that’s why he dove headfirst into that mission at Catalyst.

He not too long ago ran a session for our founders and it was too good to not share so I teased out the 5 most vital methods to drive NRR and growth:

  1. Have Gross sales Run Renewals

Mark has a powerful perception that gross sales ought to run renewals.  At Outreach, we carried out Progress AE’s in 2020 that have been chargeable for cross promote/upsell into accounts, and the yr after they began operating renewals as nicely.  Focus is at all times the key weapon to success and having somebody solely targeted on these income producing actions frees up the CSM to make sure success/adoption of the platform.  Creating these roles and structuring it this manner was how we continued to gasoline the expansion engine. 

Mark’s professional tip: 

“And why name them Progress AEs vs. Account Managers? Quite simple. That was a strategy to get my finance crew to pay them, like acquisition AEs as a substitute of account managers, which have been like 30% lower than AEs, which suggests I might have gotten crappier expertise. In order that was a bit hack on my finish. Modified the title, after which once they did all their benchmark looking of how a lot they need to pay folks, I acquired to pay them much more.”

  1. Preserve It Easy 

Mark’s view on enterprise is easy: the objective is to drive worth that the corporate can then commercialize into income. If we’re not driving worth, then we don’t get to commercialize, which suggests we don’t get income. The tough half is you will get income with out driving worth. That’s ‘churnable income,’ aka ‘lighting cash on hearth,’ because it normally requires an even bigger spend to accumulate than the precise worth of that first yr income. 

For Mark, if the objective is easy then the crew construction needs to be easy as nicely.  He doesn’t imagine in segmenting AEs or CSMs earlier than 20M in ARR — it requires an excessive amount of inner programs/processes to get proper which is wasted effort within the early days. Plus, your crew will get higher by understanding these various kinds of motions.

Mark’s professional tip: 

“Be sure to have the appropriate  management crew in place that may assist help much less skilled sellers in additional advanced deal cycles. Oh, and keep in mind that 92% of the lifetime worth comes after they commit and signal the contract! That’s from my boy Jacko at Successful by Design.” 

  1. Ditch QBRs

Overlook the outdated buyer help/success frameworks and methodologies. No one desires to attend a QBR anymore. At the moment we now have a bunch of CSMs operating round creating customized decks, constructing stories and looking for time on busy exec calendars for a quarterly enterprise evaluation.  The reality? No one ever exhibits up for this stuff or they get rescheduled 5 instances earlier than they’re guilted into displaying up after which they proceed to spend 45 minutes answering emails. That is wasted time for all events, so Mark believes it’s time to kill the QBR for good. 

So what do you do as a substitute?

  1. Create A Worth Stair Ladder

Conventional buyer success and onboarding is obsessive about “time to worth” so we throw every part on the buyer suddenly.  Often we do an intensive 3 month onboarding the place we present them each single function/performance potential and one way or the other anticipate them to understand all of it.  We overload them, in order that they’re by no means in a position to grasp/implement greater than 50-60% of it, then we deem them a “completely happy buyer” and depart them to their very own gadgets till a number of weeks earlier than renewal.  This leaves them to assume, “Properly, what have you ever carried out for me recently?” once we ask them to signal their renewal. And belief me, enterprise – and SaaS – is a “what have you ever carried out for me recently?” recreation.

There’s a higher approach (outlined within the pictures beneath).

Conventional CS/Onboarding:

The New CS/Worth Stair Framework:

How do you truly construct the Stairs?

Mark’s professional tip: “Variable Ratio Reinforcement Schedule says a reward given after a variable variety of responses makes it arduous to foretell. You don’t know when the subsequent reward – or second of affect (MOI) – is coming. This unpredictability makes the reward extra reinforcing, because it retains the person motivated to proceed responding. For those who wait till the QBR or second of renewal to drive worth, you’re falling right into a predictable sample. These rewards imply much less to the shopper.”

  1. Create Actual Accountability 

When Mark took his most up-to-date CRO function at Catalyst, he interviewed 100 prospects in 100 days.  Badass, proper? 

One of many questions he requested the CS leaders at these corporations was: “What sort of weekly conferences do you run along with your CSMs to know subsequent steps on a buyer account and maintain them accountable?” 

0 out of 100 had any form of assembly like that.  For those who look on the gross sales facet, each VP of Gross sales on the planet has a gathering like that with their total gross sales org.  We have to carry that very same rigor into CS.  

Mark suggests going again to the “Worth Stair Ladder ” system and checking in weekly along with your CSMs on what “second of affect” they’re driving in the direction of subsequent and the way that instantly aligns with the shopper’s enterprise aims.  

Mark’s professional tip: “Don’t ever confuse ‘natural growth’ with true growth. They have to be tracked and seen in a different way.”

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That’s all we acquired, thanks for rocking with us till the top.

Hope you benefit from the final weekend of… August?

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See you all subsequent week.

Barker ✌️

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